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Needs a new logo!

I'm thinking on placing the logo at [[1]] into this article. Any ways I can do so? Thanks! I <3 trains! Iliketimmyturner (talk) 16:51, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

That is not just the logo - it contains the logo that already exists here. Secondarywaltz (talk)

Housekeeping

While it is true that the TRAM system goes up to zone 8, there are no train stations above zone 6, hence, no TRAIN tickets for zone 7 and 8.

> Actually, the Saint-Jérôme station (opening at the end of 2006) will be in zone 7. --Einstein2000 15:55, July 8, 2006 (UTC)

While it is true that the new BiLevel coaches are wheelchair accessible, there are no wheelchair accessible stations - yet.

MAP issues

NICE MAP!

BUT (however!)....could it be magnified to a readable size??
What are these TWO lines heading towards Mascouche??
What is this spur to Boisbriand??

If some of these lines are mere speculation, what are they doing being posted?? Bacl-presby 00:11, July 11, 2006 (UTC)

still, no takers on changing that map?? Bacl-presby 13:57, August 5, 2006 (UTC)

Some answers

I tried to make it more readable, but as I wish to keep it to scale and not too big, I thought it was a good compromise. (when you download it, you can see it more clearly).
The two lines going to Mascouche are two propositions under study at the AMT. Like no real decision has been made on this project, I thought it was better to show all the possibilities (anyway, the legend clearly says dotted lines are projects).
Spur to Boisbriand is a proposition made many times by the city of Boisbriand and the Faubourg Boisbriand team (the project currently under construction on the old GM plant site). As it's not actually an official AMT project, I agree I could remove it.
By Einstein2000 20:26, August 6, 2006 (UTC)

Future projects

To ease over-crowding on the Deux-Montagnes line, there are plans to:

Create an overpass for the commuter train to by-pass CN's Saint-Laurent subdivision near Montpellier station (a freight line with moderate usage). CN says that it will not allow any more commuter trains without a new overpass.
Such an overpass can probably not be built without interrupting the existing service. A much neater solution would be to pass the CN mainline over the commuter line. This overpass could be built immediately to the south and parallel to the existing CN track. There is enough room to do so. This could be built with minimal interruption of current services. Passing under the commuter line is not an option because of physical restraints. Peter Horn 19:33, September 29, 2006 (UTC)
This overpass was built without interrupting the service. A temporary double track was built to bypass the construction. It is the CN main line that passes over the commuter line. By careful planning the construction did not interrupt the Cn lin either. Peter Horn User talk 18:41, August 10, 2017 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that the LRT lines wholly within the city of Montreal are projects of the STM, not the AMT. The AMT only mentions the A-10/Champlain Bridge LRT to the South Shore on its website John 132.185.144.123 (talk) 16:42, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Fares

"The commuter train fare system is based on the assumption that the user is travelling to or from downtown. There are no reductions, for example, for travel between zone 2 and 5 or exclusively in zone 3."

This kind of fare structure does nothing to encourage greater use of public transit. The AMT is possibly the only transit authority on the face of this earth to commit this kind of a blunder. Correct me if you can. For comparison in practice see The West Coast Express and West Coast Express regular fares and GO Transit fares

Peter Horn 23:32, November 17, 2006 (UTC)

Peter Horn 23:40, November 17, 2006 (UTC)

Long Article

Anyone else think this article is getting long? I'd advise on removing the full list of all commuter train stations. GO Transit doesn't have the full list on its article. Alex@MTRL 02:08, November 20, 2006 (UTC)

Fares - Response

Peter, your comment needs no correction. It's the sad truth.

I've always thought the greater Montreal area needs a system like Boston.

ONE transit authority which takes care of subways, urban buses, regional buses and trains
- Instead of the 15+ transit companies we currently have (AMT, STM, STL, RTL, 11 CIT's)
Zone system based on distance to downtown BUT with intermediate fares for travel between two zones
We would also need an upgradable fare system. For example, if I have a TRAM 3 pass and want to go into Zone 5, I now need to pay a full fare from downtown. An upgradable fare would allow me to pay only for the stations not included in the TRAM 3 pass.

But, all this would require thinking.

Alex
Alex@MTRL 16:55, November 29, 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:46, February 12, 2008 (UTC)

Deux-Montagnes Line (Future projects)

Agence métropolitaine de transport#Deux-Montagnes Line It would be by far easier to take the CN secondary main line over the Deux-Montagnes Line. On the west, the grade could start where the CN passes under Quebec Autoroute 40 and to the aest it could go for the sams distance from the Deux-Montagnes Line The surface tracks can be and need to be left in place. The new overpass could be constructed without disrupting existing traffic. Taking the Deux-Montagnes Line over the CN line would be a MAJOR engineering head ache. The right of way is simply not wide enough. Peter Horn 01:50, March 6, 2008 (UTC)

This overpass was built without interrupting either the CN or the AMT. The CN passes over the AMT. Peter Horn User talk 14:18, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

Website links to become outdated?

The AMT site currently has a new beta version but the URL appears to be temporary. Links may need to be updated once the revamped site has replaced the existing one, as the "votrenouveau" prefix will presumably be dropped and there may not be like for like redirects from the old web pages.: https://votrenouveau.amt.qc.ca/en/new-website 86.185.234.197 (talk) 12:15, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Station naming convention

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Canadian stations) for details. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:37, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Something amiss

It is the Autorité régionale de transport métropolitain that coordinates the commuter trains the bus termini, the park and ride lots and almost all bus systems other than those of Société de transport de Laval, the Société de transport de Montréal and the Réseau de transport de Longueuil. The Réseau de transport métropolitain coordinates only and only the latter three. In other words the ARTM took over everything from the defunct AMT as well as consolidating all bus systems, except one, other than the STL, The STM and the RTL. Peter Horn User talk 17:07, August 10, 2017 (UTC)

Not exactly, according to the officiat RTM website (→ https://rtm.quebec/en/about/rtm ). This page specifies:

- The ARTM will oversee the planning, organization and financing of Greater Montréal’s public transit system.

- The RTM will be responsible for operating, throughout its territory, regular bus and commuter train services, including paratransit services for disabled and mobility-impaired persons.

- The Réseau de transport métropolitain is uniting the public transport expertise of the Agence métropolitaine de transport (AMT) with that of transit organizations in the northern and southern suburbs, including paratransit services.

Therefore, as this specific WIKI page specifies the operation of transit in the greater Montreal region, it is appropriate for the Réseau de transport métropolitain and not the ARTM.Piper13 (talk) 12:37, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

So then it is the ARTM that looks after the Société de transport de Laval, the Société de transport de Montréal and the Réseau de transport de Longueuil. Everything else is looked after by the RTM? Peter Horn User talk 13:44, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

Not at all. The STM, the STL and the RTL all look after themselves, as does the CRT Lanaudière. These 4 organisations are all independent and on their own, but are still partners with the ARTM and RTM. The RTM took over operation for 10 former transit organisations, mostly CITs and of course, the former AMT services (these are listed on the RTM website (https://rtm.quebec/en/about/rtm). The ARTM took over planning and fare integration for the whole Montreal region, in partnership once again with the STM, STL, RTL and CRT Lanaudière. However, these 4 organisations all still have their own administrative structure and governing councils, independent from both the RTM and ARTM.

I'll ask my contact directly by email. Peter Horn User talk 19:15, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

The STM, the STL and the RTL do not look after themselves, it is the RTM.

By "Copy and paste" a relevant email reply.
Commentaires, SAC <SAC.Commentaires@stm.info>
Jun 24
to me
Good morning,

I am really sorry for the delay to answer to your question. The authority that combine STM, STL and RTL is now the RTM : Réseau de transport Métropolitain https://rtm.quebec/en/about/rtm

Regards,

CATHERINE BOUCHARD
Agente- Relations avec la clientèle
Renseignement et service clientèle
(514) 786-4636 options 6+1

De : Peter Horn [2] Envoyé : 16 juin 2017 19:47 À : Info Secteur La Presquile <citlapresquile@rtm.quebec> Cc : Service à la clientèle STL <commentaires@stl.laval.qc.ca>; Commentaires, SAC <SAC.Commentaires@stm.info> Objet : Re: Ticket outlet at Terminus Cote Vertu
Peter Horn User talk 15:16, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Mme. CATHERINE BOUCHARD appears to be wrong, it is perhaps the ARTM. Peter Horn User talk 14:36, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

"Copy and paste" from website. Le Réseau de transport de Longueuil (RTL), la Société de transport de Laval (STL) et la Société de transport de Montréal (STM), continuent de fournir leurs services respectifs, sous le mandat de l’ARTM (no english... yet) (emphasis mine). What would that mandate be? Peter Horn User talk 14:59, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Not being able to read French, my abilities here are limited, but it seems to me that what we have here is similar to the setup of the Chicago area's Regional Transportation Authority, where the RTA is something of a coordinating agency and funding channel for the specific agencies under its purview (namely the CTA, Metra, and Pace buses). Same here, where the new ARTM oversees and provides funding to the renamed RTM (which operates region-wide commuter rail, commuter bus routes, and paratransit) along with the STM, STL, and RTL, which each operate local transit in their respective city (and which, for the STM, includes the Montreal Metro). Another analogy might be to the Toronto area's Metrolinx. These are of necessity imperfect analogies, as each agency has its own particulars, but the idea remains, that one agency serves to coordinate funding and planning for the agencies under its purview. Now, that means the the former title is best pointed here, as this is the direct continuation of the same operations, not the new parent agency. oknazevad (talk) 16:15, August 26, 2017 (UTC)

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Not written right!

The new name of the RTM is exo, not Exo. No capital "E". :) Gmnewlook (talk) 18:41, 26 May 2018 (UTC)Gmnewlook--Gmnewlook (talk) 18:41, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

yes I will rename this unless anyone has a reason why not --Cornellier (talk) 15:02, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:MOSTM. Unless third-party sources consistently use the lowercase, we follow standard English grammar rules for proper nouns. We don't always mimic the company's use. oknazevad (talk) 16:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is there even a future for commuter rail in Montreal?

With Central Station having lost two of it's lines, I'm beginning to think that commuter rail in Montreal is about to come to an end. 71.183.235.166 (talk) 06:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where you're going with this... commuter rail coming to an end in Montreal?! Only the Deux-Montagnes line was ended as it is being converted to light metro (the REM), all other 5 lines are still going strong. And please get your sources and information straight, Central Station only lost the Deux-Montagnes line; the Mascouche line still serves the station (albeit at a reduced schedule), with trains coming in from the south now. Piper13 (talk) 12:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk pages are not a discussion board for talking about the subject of the article. They're for talking about improvements to the article. oknazevad (talk) 14:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EXO 1346

Does somebody know what happen to the EXO 1346 locomotive (EMD F59PH) since the crash the 21st of November last year ? Is it repaired, is it retired ? ChaseYUL99 (talk) 20:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A train conductor told me the locomotive was scraped, but I have no written source for that. I will wait for the release of the TSB investigation before dropping the number of EMD F59PH to 9. ChaseYUL99 (talk) 12:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Separate Exo rail service from main Exo article?

When Exo was created, it took over train services from the AMT, and probably for this reason, it subsumed the Agence métropolitain de transport Wikipedia page. But it also took over the commuter bus and paratransit services of 13 conseils intermunicipaux de transport in and around Montreal.

In inheriting the AMT Wiki page, the content is heavily focused on commuter rail, and a separate page was created for Exo bus services. But in reality when you look at it by any usage metric, it's primarily a bus service.

For comparison:

14 million bus rides vs 6 million train rides
219 bus lines vs 5 train lines

Source: Rapport annuel 2023, p. 6. Exo.

I propose spinning the majority of the rail service details into a separate Wiki page. French Wikipedia has a similar structure already: Cf. fr:Exo (réseau de transport) vs. fr:Train de banlieue de Montréal.

The existing Exo page would focus on giving a summary of all the services (train, bus, taxibus, paratransit, park and rides) and a history of transit organization in the suburbs (1980s CITs and STCUM trains; 1990s AMT and CITs; 2017 merger into Exo, spin-off AMT's strategy, planning to ARTM) with links to the detailed bus and train pages. One of Many Tims (talk) 20:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added the Split portions template to the page, and I've started a draft of the new page in a sandbox. One of Many Tims (talk) 21:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To keep the history together, it might make more sense technically to execute this split by moving the current article to Exo rail services and then start a new article called Exo (public transit). BLAIXX 23:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Blaixx: Your suggestion makes sense to me, but WP:Splitting recommends another approach. See below. What do you think? I'm new to this kind of edit.

4. Paste into the new article with edit summary "Contents [[WP:SPLIT]] from [[Source article name]]; please see its history for attribution." and save the new article.

One of Many Tims (talk) 21:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mtlfiredude, SleepTrain456, MTLskyline, RickyCourtney, and Arhan2212: Per best pratice in WP:Splitting I'm asking you have worked on this page or similar public transit pages before for your opinion on the splitting proposal above. One of Many Tims (talk) 21:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, this idea makes perfect sense! After all, there's already an article for Exo bus services, as you mentioned; and there are similar divisions between, for example, GO Transit, GO Transit rail services, and GO Transit bus services. Thanks for suggesting it! SleepTrain456 (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]